The Gypsies

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By James A Watkins

GYPSY HISTORY

 

Gypsies have long been among the most mysterious, exotic peoples on earth.  They have been described as a race of nomads, who have no real home.  Gypsies do have their own language, Romani, and they identify themselves as Romani people.  Gypsies came to Europe long ago from India.

Gypsy history remained unknown for centuries, largely because they had no written language, and strangely enough, they had forgotten where they came from. Gypsies generally claimed to be Egyptians—hence the name "Gypsy."  Europeans eventually discovered that the Romani language is related to certain dialects of India, and from there Gypsy history was gradually put together.

GYPSY GIRL
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GYPSY GIRL

GYPSIES

 

Gypsies were a low caste people in India who made their living as wandering musicians and singers.  In the year 430, Gypsy musicians, (12,000 of them) from the tribe of India known as Jat (called Zott by Persians) were given as a gift to the Persian King Bahram V.   Large numbers of them were captured by the Byzantines in Syria, where they were lauded as great acrobats and jugglers, about 855. 

Gypsies are noted in the twelfth century history of Constantinople as bear keepers, snake charmers, fortune tellers, and sellers of magic amulets to ward off the evil eye.  Balsamon warned the Greeks to avoid these "ventriloquists and wizards" that he said were in league with the Devil. 

ROUTES BY WHICH THE GYPSIES SPREAD
ROUTES BY WHICH THE GYPSIES SPREAD

ROMA GYPSIES

 

Symon Simeonis describes Gypsies in Crete (1323) as "asserting themselves to be of the family of Ham. They rarely or never stop in one place beyond thirty days, but always wandering and fugitive, as though accursed by God . . . from field to field with their oblong tents, back and low." 

Gypsies living in Modon are described in 1497 by Arnold von Harff as "many poor black naked people . . . called Gypsies . . . follow all kinds of trade, such as shoemaking and cobbling and also smithery." 

Gypsies are reported in Serbia in 1348; Croatia in 1362 (as goldsmiths); and Romania in 1378—as slaves put to work as barbers, tailors, bakers, masons, and household servants.

GYPSIES ON THE MOVE (ENGRAVING BY JACQUES CALLOT, 1622)
GYPSIES ON THE MOVE (ENGRAVING BY JACQUES CALLOT, 1622)

GYPSY LIFE

 

Gypsies first surface in Switzerland, Hungary, Germany, and Spain in 1414-1417.  During this time they traveled about with a Safe-Conduct (similar to a Passport) from Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund.  After Sigismund died, Gypsies traveled around Europe with safe-conduct letters from the Pope.  Those from Sigismund were legitimate, but the supposed papal letters were forgeries. 

Hermann Conerus wrote this about Gypsies: "They travelled in bands and camped at night in the fields outside the towns . . . They were great thieves, especially their women, and several of them in various places were seized and put to death." 

In Switzerland it was noted that Gypsies wore rags that resembled blankets, but were bedecked in gold and silver jewelry.  The Gypsy women became known as palm readers and petty thieves, suspected of sorcery.  Many towns in Europe began to pay Gypsies to go away as soon as they appeared. 

BOSNIAN GYPSIES
BOSNIAN GYPSIES

GYPSY HISTORY

 

A Bologna chronicle from 1422 gave this account of a visit from a Gypsy group: "Amongst those who wished to have their fortunes told, few went to consult without having their purse stolen . . . The women of the band wandered about the town, six or eight together; they entered the houses of the citizens and told idle tales, during which some of them laid hold of whatever could be taken.  In the same way they visited the shops under the pretext of buying something, but one of them would steal."

In the fifteenth century, the Gypsies spread many myths about themselves around the Europe.  The greatest of these myths was outlined in the forged papal letter.  The letter stated that the Gypsies had been sentenced by the Pope for their collective sins to live as nomads, never to sleep in a bed. Along with that sad tale, the letter instructed the people reading it to give the Gypsies food, money, and beer, and exempt them from any tolls and taxes.   

Even though the majority of Gypsy people left the Ottoman Empire and moved on to Europe, some remained.  Suleiman the Magnificent issued a decree to regulate Gypsy prostitution in 1530.  It is known that Gypsy men played a significant role as miners in the Ottoman Empire of the sixteenth century.  Others were watchmen, iron workers, and charcoal-burners. 

In 1696, Sultan Mustafa II issued orders for Gypsies to be disciplined for their immoral and disorderly lifestyles.  They were described as "pimps and prostitutes."  But we also find that Gypsy people worked in the Ottoman Empire as broom-makers, chimney-sweeps, musicians, weapon-repairers, and in the manufacture of weapons and ammunition. 

HUNGARIAN GYPSY BAND
HUNGARIAN GYPSY BAND
THE GYPSY BRIGAND HANNIKEL IN 1787
THE GYPSY BRIGAND HANNIKEL IN 1787

ROMA GYPSIES

 

Gypsies are first noted as musicians in European history in 1469 (Italy).  In 1493, they were banned from Milan because they were beggars and thieves who disturbed the peace.  While a turban wearing Gypsy woman told your fortune, her children would pick your pockets.  It was said that the Gypsy women cast spells and practiced witchcraft; the Gypsy men were experts at picking locks and pilfering horses.

Settled people are usually suspicious of rootless, masterless wanderers with no fixed address.  The Gypsies traveled about Europe as did no other people, so they knew more than most about what was happening in various countries, and the activities of their inhabitants.  This led to rumors that Gypsies were being used as spies.  

In 1497, the Diet (legislature) of the Holy Roman Empire issued a decree that expelled all Gypsies from Germany for espionage.  In 1510, Switzerland followed suit, and added the death penalty.  A Swiss chronicler denounced Gypsies as "useless rascals who wander about in our day, and of whom the most worthy is a thief, for they live solely for stealing."  

133 laws against Gypsies were passed in the Holy Roman Empire between 1551 and 1774.  One of those, passed in 1710, made it a crime to be a Gypsy woman or an old Gypsy man in Germany.  They were widely viewed as a godless and wicked people.  Violators were to be flogged, branded, and deported.  To be a Gypsy man in Germany was to be given a life sentence of prison at hard labor. Children of Gypsy people were taken away from them and put into good Christian homes.

In the face of this persecution, we find Gypsy men in Germany forming gangs and turning violent in the eighteenth century.   A huge crowd gathered at Giessen, Hesse, to watch the executions of 26 Gypsies in 1726.  They were a gang led by the notorious Hemperla (Johannes la Fortun).  Some were hung; some were beheaded. 

The most famous of the German Gypsy brigands was Hannikel (Jakob Reinhard).  He was hanged in 1783, along with three of his henchmen, for murder.  Hannikel had himself a little army, which included women and children.  His father was a platoon drummer. 

In view of this violence, the King of Prussia decided in 1790 that Gypsy men should all be drafted into the military.  Other European countries followed suit, and Gypsy men have since served as soldiers for every country in Europe. 

SIGN WARNING GYPSIES THEY WILL BE FLOGGED AND BRANDED IF THEY ENTER THE NETHERLANDS (1710)
SIGN WARNING GYPSIES THEY WILL BE FLOGGED AND BRANDED IF THEY ENTER THE NETHERLANDS (1710)

GYPSY LIFE

We first find Gypsies in Scotland in 1505 as tinkers, peddlers, dancers, raconteurs, guisers, and mountebanks. In 1609, the Vagabonds Act was aimed at Gypsies, and four male members of the Faw family were hung in 1611 for not maintaining a permanent address. Eight more men, six of them with the last name of Faa, were hanged in 1624 for being "Egyptians." The Scottish Gypsy surnames Faa and Baille go back perhaps 500 years. A new decree was issued in 1624 that traveling Gypsy men be arrested and hanged, Gypsy women without children be drowned, and gypsy women with children to be whipped and branded on the cheek.

Billy Marshall was a famous Gypsy King in Scotland. He died in 1792 after living 120 years. Billy Marshall fathered over 100 children, some by his 17 wives, and some by other gals.

In England, the Egyptian Act of 1530 was passed to expel Gypsies from the realm, for being lewd vagabonds, conning the good citizens out of their money, and committing a rash of felony robberies. In 1562, Queen Elizabeth signed an order designed to force Gypsies to settle into permanent dwellings, or face death. Several were hanged in 1577, nine more in 1596, and 13 in the 1650s.

Under King James I, England began to deport Gypsy people to the American colonies, as well as Jamaica and Barbados. Dumping undesirables into the colonies became a widespread practice, not only Gypsies, but also "thieves, beggars, and whores."

Abram Wood and his family were the first Gypsies to settle in Wales, circa 1730. Abram was a great fiddler and storyteller. He became known as the King of the Welsh Gypsies. The sons and grandsons of Abram Wood mastered the national instrument of Wales: the harp.

 

GYPSY MULE CLIPPERS IN SPAIN (LITHOGRAPH BY VILLAIN)
GYPSY MULE CLIPPERS IN SPAIN (LITHOGRAPH BY VILLAIN)

GYPSIES

 

In Provence it seems the Gypsies were welcomed.  It is there that they first began to be called Bohemians.  People flocked to them to have their fortunes told.  The Gypsies claimed to have dukes and counts among them, and later added captains and kings. 

The Spanish nobility protected the Gypsies at first.  Gypsy women were adored for their beauty and seductive charms; Gypsy men were admired as excellent judges of the quality of horses, and hired by nobles to procure them for their stables.   But in 1499 King Charles expelled all Gypsies from Spain, under penalty of enslavement. 

King Philip III again ordered all Gypsies (who were called Gitanos) out of Spain in 1619, this time under penalty of death. An exception was granted for those who would settle down in one place, dress as Spaniards, and stop speaking their ancient language.  Philip IV lowered the penalties to six years on the galleys for men and a good flogging for women, in 1633. 

The city with the most Gypsies was, at the time, Seville.  Many Gypsies were publicly flogged there for deceiving the populace by claiming to reveal secrets by divination, heal the sick by magic, cast spells, and for selling maps to buried treasure. 

A new plan was hatched and executed in 1749, by which all Gypsies in Spain (est. 12,000) would be rounded up in a single night, their possessions confiscated, and forced into slavery.  Gypsy women were sent to work as spinners, boys in factories, men in mines and shipyards.  Fourteen years later, they were freed by King Charles III. 

In 1783, legislation was enacted whereby all Gypsy people were required to maintain a permanent address (but not in Madrid).  However, this bill banned them from working in many of their popular livelihoods, such as shearing, trading in markets or fairs, and inn keeping.  Those who continued to live as nomads were to have their children taken from them and placed in orphanages; a second offense would result in execution. 

Portugal banned Gypsies in 1526, and any of them born there were deported to the Portuguese African colonies.  The first record of Gypsy people being deported to Brazil appears in 1574.  Whole groups of them were sent to Brazil in 1686.  There were also times in the seventeenth century when the policy was only to send Gypsy women to the colonies, while the men were enslaved on galleys. 

ROMANIAN GYPSY WOMEN
ROMANIAN GYPSY WOMEN

GYPSY HISTORY

 

The King of France, Charles IX, banned Gypsies in 1561.  He ordered that any Gypsy man caught in France be sentenced to three years on the galleys, in spite of the fact that they were pronounced a non-violent people.  In 1607, Henry IV enjoyed Gypsy dancers at court.  By 1666, Gypsy men were again condemned to galleys—this time for life—and Gypsy women caught in France had their heads shaved. 

The Gypsies were declared royal servants in Hungary, and valued as smiths and makers of fine weaponry.  They were called "Pharaoh's people" on official Hungarian documents.  In a letter from the queen's court in Vienna (1543) it says "here the most excellent Egyptian musicians play."  Gypsies also served as messengers and executioners. 

Gypsies were expelled from Denmark in 1536 and Sweden in 1560. All these problems with the authorities of European countries had the result that a large number of Gypsy encampments were set up in remote areas on borders, since police had no authority beyond their province. More and more Gypsy men and women were being flogged and branded. 

HUNGARIAN GYPSIES AT CARPENTRAS IN 1868 (PAINTING BY DENIS BONNET)
HUNGARIAN GYPSIES AT CARPENTRAS IN 1868 (PAINTING BY DENIS BONNET)

ROMA GYPSIES

 

A census was conducted in Hungary (1783) that counted over 50,000 Gypsies.  They are described as wanderers who lived in tents except in winter, when they retreated into cave dwellings.  Gypsies had no chairs or beds, did not use kitchen utensils, ate mostly meat and noodles, loved tobacco and alcohol. They were disdained for eating carrion. 

Gypsy people had only one set of clothes, but lots of jewelry.  They were known to be peddlers, beggars, and thieves.  Gypsy men were renowned as excellent horsemen, and horse traders.  Some worked as skinners, as makers of sieves or wooden implements, as gold-sifters or gold-washers, even as tavern keepers. 

Gypsies were known as an exceptionally proud people, but with little shame or honor.  Parents loved their children very much, but did not educate them.  The Gypsy way of life was contrary to the rules of every organized society.  And those who did settle down were disdained by those who continued as nomads. 

FERENC BUNKO'S BAND 1854 (DRAWING BY VARSANYI)
FERENC BUNKO'S BAND 1854 (DRAWING BY VARSANYI)

GYPSIES

It is estimated that 800,000 Gypsies lived in Europe by the year 1800. They were most numerous in the Balkans, and had a substantial presence in Spain and Italy. About this time a German scholar, Heinrich Gellmann, proved that the Romani language was linked to some languages of India. Although these people would no longer be considered Egyptians, the name Gypsy stuck (as well as the word "gyp").

During the nineteenth century, Gypsies became prominent as musicians, chiefly in Hungary, Spain, and Russia. Hungarian nobility developed a tradition of having a Gypsy minstrel next to the host of a banquet to play for his guests. Before long Gypsy bands proliferated, always including a virtuoso violinist.

The first famous Gypsy violinist was Janos Bihari, from Bratislava, who performed at the Congress of Vienna in 1814. By 1850, Gypsy music was popular all over Europe. Gypsy groups went on the road to perform, some as far as America. In 1865, Ferenc Bunko played for the King of Prussia. Imitators of the famous Gypsy bands were soon ubiquitous in Europe, playing in taverns, markets, fairs, festivals, and weddings.

In Russia, Gypsies were beloved more for their singing talents. Most every noble family employed a Gypsy chorus, with Gypsy women (who were also dancers) in the main roles, accompanied by a seven string Russian guitar. The first recorded singer of flamenco music in Spain is a Gypsy man, Tio Luis el de la Juliana.

 

AN EARLY READING WAGGON IN NOTTING DALE, LONDON, 1879
AN EARLY READING WAGGON IN NOTTING DALE, LONDON, 1879
TYPES OF ENGLISH GYPSY VANS
TYPES OF ENGLISH GYPSY VANS

GYPSY LIFE

 

The Census of Hungary in 1893 identified 275,000 Gypsies, with the vast majority of them by now sedentary, gathered in their own enclaves.   90 percent of the Gypsy people were illiterate; 70 percent of Gypsy children did not attend school.  Besides musicians and horse traders, the Gypsy men were primarily engaged as smiths, brick makers, and construction workers.  Women were mostly hawkers.  The largest concentration of them was in Transylvania. 

In Victorian England, we see the emergence of Gypsy caravans with horse-drawn wagons (vardos), and donkeys or mules in train.  Nomadic Gypsies still lived in tents—even in winter.  The Gypsy folk are noted at this time as tinkers, potters, basket makers, brush makers, and cheapjacks.  It is also in the nineteenth century that they become known as Travelers.   

It appears that the Gypsy population in Britain was about 13,000 by 1900.  The Gypsies served a useful function by distributing goods to remote towns and villages, not yet served by trains.  They enlivened village festivals with their musicianship, singing, and dancing.  They gained a good reputation as people who could repair most anything.  Townsfolk would await the arrival of the Travelers to hear the latest news and gossip from other parts of the realm. 

Gypsies were also quite involved in the harvesting of hops in England and Ireland, while their womenfolk worked carnivals and fairs telling fortunes.  One writer invited tourists to come and see the Gypsies, but advised them to come in the morning, as at night the Gypsies are inebriated.  The coming of mechanized harvesting machines, as well as cheap machine-manufactured goods, lessened the demand for work common to Gypsy travelers.  

POSTER ADVERTISING A SLAVE AUCTION IN WALLACHIA, 1852
POSTER ADVERTISING A SLAVE AUCTION IN WALLACHIA, 1852

ROMA GYPSIES

 

In Romania, 200,000 Gypsy persons were still enslaved in the first half of the nineteenth century.  They worked as grooms, coachmen, cooks, barbers, tailors, farriers, comb makers, and domestic servants.  Their masters could kill them with impunity. 

One reformer described the treatment of these slaves in Iasi:  "human beings wearing chains on their arms and legs, others with iron clamps round their foreheads . . . Cruel floggings and other punishments, such as starvation, being hung over smoking fires, being thrown naked into a frozen river . . . children torn from the breasts of those who brought them into the world, and sold . . . like cattle." 

Before World War One, Gypsies drew huge crowds in England and France when they would wander into a town.  People longed to see Gypsy women in person, with gold coins around their necks and bosoms, as well as in their hair-plaits.  Gypsy men would call on factories, breweries, hotels, and restaurants in search of work repairing copper vessels and the like. 

The United States welcomed a large number of Ludar, or "Romanian Gypsies" (actually most were from Bosnia) from 1880 to 1914.  These people joined circuses as animal trainers and performers.  Passenger manifests show that they brought bears and monkeys with them across the Atlantic. 

GYPSY WOMEN
GYPSY WOMEN

GYPSY LIFE

 

In traditional Gypsy culture, the father arranges the marriage of his son with the father of a prospective bride.    The young people generally have the right of refusal.  The father of the groom pays a bride-price, which varies according to the status of the two fathers and the two families, as well as the girl's potential as an earner and "history."  The new couple then resides with the parents of the groom.  The new bride must perform household duties for her in-laws.  Sometimes families exchange daughters as brides for their respective sons. 

A great fear of Gypsy people through the ages has been of the mullo (a ghost or vampire).  In some tribes of Gypsies, it is customary to destroy all property belonging to a dead person to prevent them from haunting the living.  In England this would include the person's living-wagon (van). 

The Gypsies also dread being declared "polluted" by their clan, which is social death.  One can become polluted (defiled) by contact with an unclean female, whose lower parts are considered marime.  This term is complicated but we can safely say it has much to do with genitalia, bodily functions, puberty, menstruation, sex, pregnancy, and childbirth. 

FRENCH GYPSIES
FRENCH GYPSIES

GYPSIES

 

Gypsies were never well received in Germany. Near the close of nineteenth century, things got worse as Germans subscribed to the theories of Italian criminologist Cesare Lombroso.  One of his ideas was that criminality is inherited.  As one proof of this, Lombroso pointed to the Gypsies, whom he described as generation after generation of people who are vain, shameless, shiftless, noisy, licentious, and violent.  Not to mention puppeteers and accordion players.

In 1886, Bismarck noted "complaints about the mischief caused by bands of Gypsies traveling about in the Reich and their increasing molestation of the population."  In 1899, a clearing house was set up in Munich to collate reports of the movements of Gypsies.  The general German opinion was that the nomadic Gypsies used the cover of being entertainers and perfume dealers, but actually focused on begging and stealing. 

In 1905, Alfred Dillmann distributed his Gypsy Book to police around Europe.  The book profiled 3,500 Gypsies.  Dillmann hoped it would help eradicate the "Gypsy Plague."  By 1926, laws were passed that made it compulsory for Gypsies in Germany to have a permanent address and maintain regular employment.  Violators were sentenced to two years in a workhouse.  The reason for this penalty was: "These people are by nature opposed to all work and find it especially difficult to tolerate any restriction of their nomadic life; nothing, therefore, hits them harder than loss of liberty, coupled with forced labor." 

In Switzerland, after 1926, Gypsy children were taken from their parents; their names were changed, and placed in foster homes.  This policy ended in 1973. 

GYPSY WOMAN
GYPSY WOMAN

GYPSY HISTORY

Nazi spokesman Georg Nawrocki had this to say in 1937: "It was in keeping with the inner weakness and mendacity of the Weimar Republic that it showed no instinct for tackling the Gypsy question. . . . We, on the other hand, see the Gypsy question as above all a racial problem, which must be solved and which is being solved." The National Socialists designated Gypsies, along with Jews, for annihilation.

Dr. Robert Ritter, a Nazi scientist, wrote in 1940: "Gypsies [are] a people of entirely primitive ethnological origins, whose mental backwardness makes them incapable of real social adaptation . . . The Gypsy question can only be solved when . . . the good-for-nothing Gypsy individuals . . . [are] in large labor camps and kept working there, and when further breeding of this population . . . is stopped once and for all."

The National Socialist Workers Party (NAZI) rounded up the Gypsies for "protective custody," and shipped them off to concentration camps. Gypsy persons were forcibly sterilized, the subjects of medical experiments, injected with typhus, worked to death, starved to death, froze to death, and gassed in various numbers. The total dead at the hands of the Nazis is estimated to be 275,000.

KALDERASH WOMEN ON THE MARCH IN ENGLAND, 1911
KALDERASH WOMEN ON THE MARCH IN ENGLAND, 1911
GYPSY BEAR TRAINERS
GYPSY BEAR TRAINERS

GYPSY HISTORY

 

By the 1960s, Gypsy caravans were now mostly drawn with motorized vehicles, and tents had largely been replaced by rough shacks.  Many took up residence in state supplied slum housing.  Most Gypsies remained uneducated and illiterate.  Many of the men became scrap dealers, and some worked with copper to produce ornamental, decorative pieces of art.  Gypsy women were still noted for fortune telling and begging.  Some Gypsy children turned to shoplifting, picking pockets, and stealing from vehicles, since they were immune to prosecution. 

One would expect that Gypsy people would have fared well under Communist regimes, what with their stated philosophy of equality for all.  But entrepreneurial activities were illegal in Communist states, and these were the specialties of Gypsies.  

There were 134,000 Gypsies in the Soviet Union in 1959; by the census of 1979 they numbered 209,000.  Nomadism was against Soviet law.  Work in Soviet factories and farms held little appeal to Gypsies. 

Starting in the 1950s, Poland offered housing and employment to Gypsies, but most continued to wander.  Therefore, Gypsies were forbidden to travel in caravans in 1964.  This law was strictly enforced, and within two years 80 percent of Gypsy children were enrolled in school. 

In Czechoslovakia, a law was passed in 1958 that forced Gypsies into settlements.  Violators had their horses killed and wagons burned.  The Czech people looked down on Gypsies as a primitive, backward, and degenerate people.  222,000 of them were counted in the 1966 census, and 9 percent of all babies born that year in Czechoslovakia were Gypsies.  Their numbers rose to 288,000 by 1980. 

Romania, in the early 1970s, tried to obliterate Gypsy culture and force the Gypsies into squalid ghettos.  Their valuables were confiscated, including their favorite form of savings—huge old gold coins.  Bulgaria forbade Gypsies to travel and closed their associations and newspapers. 

Things were better under the milder form of Communism practiced in Yugoslavia.  There we see television and radio stations that broadcast in the Romani language.  Gypsies began to participate in regional politics, and a few hundred of them became doctors, lawyers, and engineers.  Still, only 20 percent of Gypsy adults had even attended elementary school.  They settled in small towns, and began buying and selling ready-made goods, surplus and seconds, and used clothing. 

GYPSY DANCER
GYPSY DANCER

GYPSY LIFE

 

Gypsies embraced education more readily in Britain.  They seemed to become aware that at least basic school learning is necessary in the modern age.  It is handy to be able to write estimates and receipts; to read plans and manuals; to hold a driving license and insurance; and mostly, to be able to deal with Britain's social services bureaucracy. 

A 1989 report by the  European Community stated that only 35 percent of 500,000 Gypsy children in the 12 member states attended school regularly; half had never been to school even one time; hardly any went on to secondary education; and Gypsy adults had an illiteracy rate of 50 percent. 

Spain decided to integrate the Gypsies, but there was a fierce backlash from Spanish citizens against having Gypsies as neighbors, or having their children attend school with Gypsy children.  In Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Bulgaria settled Gypsy families were beaten up and their houses set on fire.  For this reason, some reverted to the nomadic life. 

THE CARAVANS - GYPSY CAMP NEAR ARLES (PAINTING BY VINCENT VAN GOGH)
THE CARAVANS - GYPSY CAMP NEAR ARLES (PAINTING BY VINCENT VAN GOGH)
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GYPSIES

Today, there are five or six million Gypsies living in Europe. Over one million live in Romania; half a million in both Bulgaria and Hungary; a quarter of a million in Russia, Spain, Serbia, and Slovakia.

In France and Italy, Gypsy families still work the circus and fairgrounds. In many countries they operate repair services of various types; sell used cars, furniture, antiques, and junk; sell carpet and textiles. They still hawk, make music, and tell fortunes.

One new development is the rise in Pentecostalism among Gypsies. There is even a Gypsy Evangelical Church, with over 200 churches in France alone.

There have been six World Romani Congress forums held, from 1971 to 2004, to discuss how best to press for rights for the Gypsy people.

My primary source for this article is The Gypsies by Sir Angus Fraser.

I have previously published Hubs about:

The thoughts of Alexis de Tocqueville about America

The history of Christianity in the 13th Century, including St. Francis of Assisi; the 4th and 5th Crusades; and thoughts about the Virgin Mary, Communion of the Saints, and the Holy Eucharist

A meditation about how short this earthly life is, courtesy of Dr Samuel Johnson

 

Comments

Mike 47 hours ago

Please excuse my grammar mistakes, i did not check for the them when i posted (and i see there is no edit button). My apologize

Mike 47 hours ago

The truth is that gypsies steal, kill, rape and do all sort of bad things.

Now before you jump at me and call me a racist or what ever word you heard on the internet, here this.

If seen gypsies attack people with knivesm trying to steal lil kids in my country. Don't dare say "huh wheres is the proof" there videos from news stations in my country. where a women was hit by a car and people rushed to her aid. while the gypsies came and stole her bags and money.

I saw little gypsy kids with knifes stealing from people in the bus and trolley.

And i could go on for ages. I have horrible stories with facts! Videos from the news stations.

These are the real gypsies.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 3 weeks ago

Honza—Well, I am not sure how "official" it is but I believe the story I told here to be the Truth. Gypsies are definitely not from Egypt or Israel. It appears they are from India originally but you may have noticed that my recent guest "Sergio" is a Roma person and he says the Roma are not Gypsies and that they originate in Persia.

Thank you very much for reading my article and posting your comments.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 3 weeks ago

whowas— You are quite welcome, my friend. I appreciate you coming over to visit and reading my article on the Gypsies. Thank you ever much for the kind compliments and the voted up.

Welcome, Austin, to the HubPages Community! I look forward to reading your writings, which I shall attend to soon. Like you, I also "have a passion for history," and would like to consider myself "a renaissance man." :D

I enjoyed reading your fascinating profile page. How blessed you are to "live between homes in the North of England and Central Italy, with my wife, two home-educated children, a dog and several chickens."

Your comments are extraordinarily interesting, especially the part about Jesus and the Gypsy boy. I am glad you shared that with us. Thanks again for your excellent remarks.

James

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James A Watkins Hub Author 3 weeks ago

Sergio— Thank you for the best wishes and your kind comments. I am well pleased that we engaged on this subject. :D

James

Honza 3 weeks ago

So is this the official information of where Romani come from? Cuz Im a 17 year old Gypsy and I am from Czech Repbulic, and I keep hearing that they are from either Israel or Egypt. So I would like to know on where they are actually orginated.

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whowas Level 3 Commenter 3 weeks ago

A marvellous and informative hub, sir!

I live a large part of the year in the far North East of England, very near the coast. This is the least populated county in the country but its wild and windswept landscape have been 'home' to generations of gypsies. Thier camps are very evident along the local coastal roads. They graze their stock of horses, tethered on long chains on the commons and can often be seen riding bareback through the towns, or driving small horse-drawn carts along the beaches.

Of course, these days they are more likely to be wearing denims and a pair of sneakers and their caravans are large, modern homes towed by 4x4s. However, they keep up many of their old traditions and are very secretive, rarely mixing with the house-dwellers in the nearby communities, although some of their children do attend local schools.

Amongst themselves they still talk Romany and indeed, many Romani words have found their way into the local dialect. For example, a cluster of Northumbrain lads, watching the girls go by, might enjoin each other to 'deek a' tha' barey moart!' which is almost pure Romani for 'Look at the pretty woman!'

In this area, they still use horses as the main measure of wealth and many seem to make their living dealing in scrap metal.

I would venture (without intent to slander, as I have no direct evidence to support the case) that a certain amount of 'borrowing without permission' might also take place. On that point, I did once hear a local Gypsy defending his race's right to steal. He told a story and as I recall, he recounted how as Jesus was being laid out on the cross to be crucified, a Gypsy boy realized what the Romans were about to do and in a naive attempt to save him from this fate, stole the nails that the soldiers had prepared nearby. Jesus saw the boy and bade him replace the nails as it was God's will. However, in acknowledgement of the boy's good heart, he pronounced there and then that in time of need, Gypsies would be exonerated and could disregard the ninth commandment!

Thanks for a very fine hub and an interesting read. Very happy to vote up and follow your writings.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 4 weeks ago

opiningminion— You are quite welcome. Thank you for the gracious compliments. I am glad you enjoyed my article. Welcome to the HubPages Community! :)

Sergio 4 weeks ago

Hi James, we 7 Billions of people at the present time and the people after the next 100 years will have to learn about the mystery of the history of this world.

Best wishes and happy life in this planet of mystery!

Sergio

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James A Watkins Hub Author 5 weeks ago

Kitty A Smith— Thank you very much for taking the time to read my article. I appreciate your gracious compliments.

I followed the link to your Lens and it is very cool. I enjoyed the pictures of the various vardo. It is always a pleasure to meet a fellow writer. :-)

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opiningminion 5 weeks ago

Thank you for a fresh and densly erudite piece. My reading of this was fortuitous yet timely as it has enriched my pursuits of the Romani culture.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 5 weeks ago

Sergio— Hello again! Welcome back.

Oh no, I never even implied that fat people or those who wear glasses were put in concentration camps by Nazis. What I said was:

"Thank you for the information about Genocide, Sergio. I read up on it and I am surprised at how broadly it is defined. It says genocide might include "mental harm." Wow! So fat people and people who wear glasses may be victims of genocide, too, if it is deemed they were mentally harmed by a society."

Obviously my comment is not about concentration camps at all but about the very broad definition of genocide you sent me that said it included any sort of "Mental Harm," which could mean nearly anything—even an insult can cause mental harm, one might suppose.

No, I have not visited the concentration camps. I am aware that Gypsies and Roma people were tortured and killed by the Nazis.

I hope you had a wonderful Easter. God Bless You. And thank you for your enlightened and enlightening comments.

James

Kitty A Smith 6 weeks ago

what an amazing Hub. You must have worked months gathering all of this informtion. I have just made a lens on Squidoo and in my research I found a drawing of the different styles of Vardo and this led me to your hub.

I am fascinated with the Vardo. Such beauty and practicality in one place. This led me to create a lens on it. http://www.squidoo.com/gypsy-wagons

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James A Watkins Hub Author 6 weeks ago

SarahandSophia— Welcome to the HubPages Community! I look forward to reading your writings.

Thank you for checking out my article and for the gracious compliments. I have been to Wales and wrote a Hub about it!

http://james-a-watkins.hubpages.com/hub/Wales-driv

Sergio 7 weeks ago

Hi James again, Do you know how many fat people and people who wear glasses woman,men,boys and girls end up their lives in Nazi Concentration Camps in Europe? Did you visit Dachau,Buchenwald,Auschwitz and other Monopoly Death Factory in Europe? No? So, try to visit the Nazis Paradise-Auschwitz in Poland. Than try to find something about White babies and children with blue eyes stolen from homes,schools,hospitals and streets by Nazis in Europe the children are alive today in Germany and they are German citizens but their real parents were murdered by Nazis in Europe. So when some racist or nazis will say that Roma steal children, than they have to study the Nazi Education of Crime Against Humanity. Nazis are still alive in this world,it is the heritage of uneducated criminals. Don't study Roma people,that is stereotypical habit! James try to study the history and heritage of genocide in this world,that is high education for every single person in this planet to learn why and how the genocide begin.

Happy Easter and Best Wishes.

Sergio

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SarahandSophia 8 weeks ago

Great hub! I come from a Romani gypsy background. My family settled on the Western coast of Wales in early 1800s after leaving the mainland. There are two Rom tribes in Wales although they are not travelers so much anymore. I always love reading about this culture.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

Don Bobbitt-- You are most welcome, my friend. It is a pleasure to hear from you again. Thank you ever much for taking the time to read this article. I know it is really long and I appreciate your patience.

Your laudations made me smile! :D

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

GusTheRedneck-- Hello Gus! You are welcome. I appreciate the tip on how to find out more information from that fine source about the Gypsies.

Thank you for reading my article and for the accolades. :)

Your friend James

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

editorsupremo-- You are quite welcome. I appreciate the voted up! I am also well pleased by your kind comments.

Thank you for taking the time to read my article. I look forward to reading some of your Hubs, which I will attend to soon. :D

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Thank you for the information about Genocide, Sergio. I read up on it and I am surprised at how broad it is defined. It says genocide might include "mental harm." Wow! So fat people and people who wear glasses may be victims of genocide, too, if it is deemed they were mentally harmed by a society.

I do see after further research that Roma people were enslaved for 500 years in Romania. I cannot seem to find any evidence of them being enslaved anywhere else, or by Columbus.

I do not agree that the Truth is dead. Nor do I agree that Jesus Christ is dead. He and it are very much alive, my friend.

I appreciate you illuminating my mind about some things. I have learned from you.

Faithfully Yours,

James

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Don Bobbitt Level 5 Commenter 2 months ago

James, Another great Hub by the master.

I somehow missed this one, but I really enjoyed it today.

Fantastic information on an interesting sub-culture of our world.

Thanks for your great work, Again!

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GusTheRedneck Level 6 Commenter 2 months ago

Hi James - As is your norm, this is a fine and accurate article. Thanks.

You can obtain a free download from www.gutenberg.org about Spanish Gypsies (entitled "the Zincali"). Interesting stuff.

Gus :-)))

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editorsupremo Level 4 Commenter 2 months ago

Wow, a fascinating history of Gypsies who have always held a air or mystique. I didn't know that they emerged from India, I always thought of Gypsies as Romanian or originating in Europe. Thanks for sharing the information.

Voted up!

Sergio 2 months ago

Hi James, if you will read the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide Adopted by Resulution 260(III)A of the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948 the article 2 and 3 you can read what is genocide. Yes Roma were sold on Auctions just like today Cars on Car Auctions. Yes Mr.Columbus take Roma people from Europe with him as Slaves. In South of Africa the German and other build Concentration Camps before Hitler and use Africans from South Africa and Roma people from Europe as Slaves,tortured and killed many of them. Part of Genocide is when somebody refuse to give you axes to drink water or leave you without of food. I have a friends the are Navajo but they are not any more Native Indians,they are Americans and they haven't horses, they have 4WD Jeeps. Anyway,it is interesting to change our opinion about history which will be mystery for ever because truth is always dead just like Jesus Christ. Best wishes and peace with you. Sergio

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

Sergio— You are welcome. I am part American Indian and I strongly disagree with your charcterization of "genocide" of Native Americans. That is a myth spawned by communist atheists who hate America. There never was any genocide. There were battles waged and won by both sides. There were small massacres by both sides. There were atrocities by both sides. Unfortunately, the whites, without knowing it, had germs that killed many Native Americans. None of these things qualify even remotely as "genocide."

The Roma were hunted and sold as slaves, you say? I was not aware of that.

Wait a minute . . . are you claiming that Columbus enslaved Roma peoples?

You ask me to read about the genocide in South Africa . . . of whom? Persian Romas?

I am familiar with the Armenian genocide of Christians by Muslims but what has that to do with Roma peoples?

Don't worry about your English. You are doing fine. Thank you for your comments.

James

Sergio 2 months ago

Hi James, thanks for your answer. If you will look and find the real genocide of Native American people in the North and South of America the Indians,you can find the Roma history as well. In Brasil there is millions of Roma people from Spain,Portugal and from all Europe, but most of them haven't idea that they are Roma they are Brasilians. There grandfathers and grandmothers were hunted and sold as Slaves when Mr.Columbus & Company from Europe established North & South of America. Former President of Brasil Juscelino Kubitchek was son of Roma family from Czechoslovakia and he was the founder of the city Brasilia but later his life end up with sad story. I wrote book about my life many publishers like to read my story but nobody like to published, it is true story and true story is always hard for many people to heard,read or see it just like the story of Genocide in South of Africa or in Armenia where many Roma live for long time.

My English is very bad so I am sorry for the mistakes.

Best wishes.

Sergio

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

Sergio— I am glad you came back and shared with me the story of your grandfather. I hope you share that with your children and always keep the memory of the ancient ones alive.

I must thank you for the pleasure of learning more about your people from you. Your remarks are truly extraordinary.

I cannot explain the subjects I choose to write about. I might just wake up one day and the thought hits me to write about this or that. I write about what I find fascinating. I keep a list, which now must have around 80 topics on it. I do not have the time to get to them all.

One day I got to thinking about Gypsies. I didn't know much about them except from movies. So, I did some research and bought the most highly recommended book about Gypsies and made notes while I read it of what struck me as the most interesting parts of the story.

I do not speak the language, no. I am a typical American: monolingual. :D

It is nice to meet you, Sergio. Thank you for the illuminating conversation.

James

Sergio 2 months ago

My grandfather told me the story of his grandfather,that's how I know about our origin. We hate wars for 7.000 years and we are persecuted till today in this world of wars, that is the reason why we will always run and survive! All the Experiments with us before Hitler,Stalin and even today will never change us! We are educated because we hate wars and we respect the nature. We have nothing to learn from people who created the wars and genocide for gold,silver, copper,timber,diamonds,ivory,oil,gas or religion. We know this world very well for 7.000 years. James, why you have interest about Roma? Do you speak Romanes? Best wishes.Sergio

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

Phyllis Doyle— Thank you!! It is great to "see" you again. I will be honored and thrilled if you share this Hub with your friends on Facebook! :D

I appreciate the visit and the accolades. I am glad you enjoyed my article.

Toodles!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

Neil Sperling— Like you, I lived a nomadic lifestyle at one time—for perhaps a decade. And yes, I love Gypsy music.

Thank you very much for coming over to read this article. I appreciate the laudations.

I will come by soon to read your new Hub and check out the upgrades to the one I have seen. Thanks for telling me about them.

James :D

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Phyllis Doyle Level 6 Commenter 2 months ago

James, this is a fantastic hub. The history of the Gypsy people is far more complex than I realized. You did a wonderful research and writing job on this, I am very impressed. I would love to share it on my facebook page if you do not mind.

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Neil Sperling Level 5 Commenter 2 months ago

James - as usual a well researched and written hub. One I will come back to re-read as Gypsies fascinate me as I have moved around a lot myself. LOL Gypsies - always seem to be misunderstood and their poverty life style lead them often to crime for survival... yet their music is loved by all.

for your info - I updated the walk off the earth hub so it better answers how they did the numbers - plus I wrote another hub on the power of duplication.. i thought of your question (how did they do it) while I wrote both... hope you enjoy the upgrades and the new hub.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 2 months ago

Sergio— Thank you very much for taking the time to read my article. I appreciate your fascinating comments. It is good of you to set the record straight.

Sergio 2 months ago

We are NOT Gypsies and We are NOT from India!!!!!!!! We are people of Persian Empire the Roma,Kholi,Zott,Nuri etc. Our origin language was Parsi after so may wars in Persia we change our Parsi language because of the PERSECUTION!!!!! Just like the Irish people change the Irish original language into English because of the PERSECUTION for the last 800 years till today! Gypsies are not ROMA people,Gypsies are HOMELESS PEOPLE!!!!!! Roma people are NOT HOMELESS!!!!!!!!! That's all for today.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 3 months ago

jainismus— You are welcome. Thank you for taking the time to read my Hub. I know it is a very long one. I appreciate this nice note from you.

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jainismus Level 5 Commenter 3 months ago

James A Watkins,

Interesting Hub. I had read about Gypsies long ago,but it was not in detail. You have given detailed information, thanks!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 3 months ago

techygran— I love that "Minor Swing" by the great Django Reinhardt. Thank you for providing the link.

I didn't know the word "pal" came from the Rom language. Cool. I am not familiar with George Henry Borrow, but I was curious and so just now read a quick bio on him. Interesting.

I appreciate your accolades. I am glad you enjoyed this Hub. And yes, quite a few comments have accrued on this one. Thank you for reading and for your insightful comments.

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techygran Level 4 Commenter 3 months ago

I enjoyed reading this brilliant hub, James... I appreciate your clear summaries of the historical journey of these Rom peoples. Just thought I would throw in a link to Django Reinhardt playing a little gypsy-jazz guitar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTlo809EIlo&ob=av2n

The Rom people I know about in Canada (Vancouver) used to be the guys who replated and fixed up restaurant cooking pots and utensils and sold cars from the curbs. But that was back 'in the day' before I was swallowed up by mothering. I read a couple of George Henry Borrow's books back in my Uni Linguistics class. The word "pal" comes from the Rom language for anyone who is interested...

Great read! (I also love the comments your hubs accrue).

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James A Watkins Hub Author 4 months ago

Tams R— You are quite welcome. Thank you for reading my work and for your kind comments. I look forward to reading your writings soon.

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Tams R Level 5 Commenter 4 months ago

I'm very glad I read your article before one of my children asked me about Gypsies. I was ill informed, thank you for changing that. I'm impressed with the amount of content you put into your work.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 4 months ago

Storytellersrus— I do find the talking heads on NPR to be quite soothing. The are calm, quiet, and smooth in my experience. At least compared to other blaring radio stations. But sure, I also enjoy classical music.

I wonder if female soldiers experience a higher rate of PTSD?

I haven't seen anything about Gypsies on Fox News Channel that I recall.

Thank you for your comments and you are quite welcome.

James :-)

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 4 months ago

James, you must be talking about all the wonderful classical music played on KCFR, as opposed to most other stations! Certainly you are not speaking of the in depth interviews, for they are certainly not soothing.

I just listened to an interview Ryan Warner conducted of a young PTSD female who had served in Iraq, has three children and is so traumatized she couldn't even share her story. She has been given an experimental therapy dog to help her regain her sanity and has sewn on its lapel, "All disabilities are not visible". Such stories break my heart and give me insight into aspects that one liner headlines like "High Percentage of Returning Vets Experience PTSD" do not.

Certainly if the story you mention had been explored on Fox and this is extremely doubtful, the religious take on it would be to condemn these folk as unChristian, not attempt to understand exactly their reality. Judgment is pretty much the status quo in Rupert Murdoch's world, from what I have experienced with his news soldiers. Show me where they reported a gypsy story that refutes this and I will be happy to change my perspective on his.

Thanks.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 4 months ago

Storytellersrus— Thank you for your additional comments, Barbara. I like to listen to NPR when traveling by car. It has a soothing tone about it and is generally interesting.

I appreciate the tips. And I wish you and yours the best year ever in 2012.

James :D

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 4 months ago

Well being a barbarian myself, I might take offense at that last line, but I choose not, lol. Anyway, next time you get incensed at an NPR story, write or call it in. They are very good about reading corrections on the air and listener comments make for fascinating listening. I learn a lot from that segment. NPR newsmen are my most respected commentators because they do care about accuracy to the point of allowing themselves to be maligned on the air, in order to get it right. Have a great day- night, actually! Barbara

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James A Watkins Hub Author 4 months ago

Storytellersrus— Ah, yes. Now I've found it. I wrote:

'I heard a Public Radio "newsman" say yesterday, regarding this story, "The message is: We don't want Gypsies in France." Of course, that is leftist propaganda, and a lie. There are 70,000 Gypsies who are French citizens, and nobody has said they don't want THEM in France. It is illegal alien Gypsies from Romania, who have been asked to leave France several times after overstaying their visitor visas and refusing to go, who are being deported. :)'

Right. I was listening to NPR in the car and the guy says what he says. I came home to look up on the internet what Sarkozy was up to. It said 70,000 Gypsies had been accepted as French citizens over the past maybe ten years. Tens of thousands of others were allowed in under Visas that were issued and that they accepted that had a specific length of time they could stay and then—on the honor system—they had to go.

I do not find this odd. I have had many Visas to visit foreign countries and they always had a date on which they expired. I would never have dreamed of staying longer than what I agreed to—a sort of a legal and binding contract.

But these folks just want to stay forever in France but in the shadows. They can always count on some Lefties to rally to their cause— the open borders we are citizens of the world crowd. Then the people breaking the law are glorified and those who uphold the law denigrated—never mind that without the rule of law being upheld we will find out fast how thin is the veneer between civilized people and barbarians. :-)

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 4 months ago

James, interesting about Sigusmund, thanks! It is hard ro define motive centuries later, but those guesses tell a great deal about the time he lived in, ie, the concerns of the age.

The NPR comment came in response to Paraglider. Sometimes the comment section becomes part of rhe article, in my pea brain!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 4 months ago

Stroytellersrus— I have wondered if "Cowboys and Aliens" is worth a look or not. I have been getting conflicting reports on that one.

I am really glad you liked this Hub. I consider myself a Gypsy in that I have done a lot of wandering around in my time, mostly in my band days (20 years) when I was nearly always on the move. I once spent nine years traveling from town to town without a home or permanent address and with everything I owned in two suitcases.

You ask a very good question regarding Sigismund. I can't say I know for sure. There appears to be three theories: 1) that Sigismund was convinced by the Gypsies that their value as tinkerers and goods distributors and as musicians was a good thing for his kingdom 2) that they were given safe passage in exchange for agreeing to Christian baptism 3) that in some cases, since they were widely traveled, they were important as spies to let Sigsmund know what was happening around his domains.

I must confess that I don't recall anything about NPR and the Gypsies. I just now scanned down through all these comments looking for "NPR" and didn't see it. Can you refresh my memory what that was about?

Thank you for reading this. I enjoyed reading your comments. And you are welcome.

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 4 months ago

James, I intended to read the hub and all it's comments but ran out of time, as the comments are extensive! Congrats!!! (my kids want me to pay attention to Cowboys and Aliens.)

But first I must tell you how fascinating I found this hub. I am surprised you consider yourself a gypsy. In fact, you constantly surprise me. That being said, I learned a great deal from your research. I do have one question, why did Sigusmund give them safe passage? What was his reasoning and why was it necessary?

Also, I am not sure I understand your complaint about the NPR newsman? Was he incorrect in that he stereotyped all gypsies? Was his statement in any way accurate regarding a portion of the population? Why do you think he got it wrong? Are you implying it was intentional? If so, why do you think he would intentionally say something like this?

I have an affinity for nomads myself. Thanks.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 5 months ago

snakeslane— I am glad you enjoyed this article. Thank you for saying so. I very much appreciate the accolades. Welcome to the HubPages Community! I look forward to reading some of your Hubs. :-)

James

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snakeslane Level 7 Commenter 5 months ago

Interesting and enjoyable read James A Watkins, I appreciate the research you've done and the resulting colourful story. Regards, snakeslane

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James A Watkins Hub Author 5 months ago

Moonmaiden— You are quite welcome. Thank you for reading my Hub. I appreciate your comments.

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Moonmaiden Level 2 Commenter 5 months ago

Thank you for helping me to learn more about a topic dear to my heart.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 7 months ago

SlyMJ— I am glad you enjoyed this article. Thank you for the fine compliments. I will come by to check out some of your work soon. Welcome to the HubPages Community!

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SlyMJ Level 2 Commenter 7 months ago

Fascinating - a great deal of that was completely new to me - excellent in-depth article

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James A Watkins Hub Author 7 months ago

sharewhatuknow— Thank you for the voted up and awesome. This Hub has drawn a lot of readers. I am grateful for that. It is good to "see" you here too.

I haven't seen that program. I'll watch for it. I appreciate the visit and your kind compliments. :)

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sharewhatuknow Level 4 Commenter 7 months ago

" You label me I label you... " (Metallica)

What a fascinating and very in-depth article you wrote James !! I had never really thought much about Gypsies and their way of life until I watched on TV the reality show " My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding." And these Gypsies are IRISH, living in Ireland or England, the UK. Blew me away !! I never would have thought any Gypsy of Irish heritage.

I had to vote your hub UP and Awesome.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 10 months ago

ExoticHippieQueen— Welcome to the Hub Pages Community! I am not far from you. I was a hippie once myself. I have fond memories of Old Town Chicago . . . the beads and incense; the pop art posters.

I surely appreciate your gracious laudations. I look forward to reading your Hubs. Thank you for reading mine! :D

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ExoticHippieQueen Level 6 Commenter 10 months ago

You know I would have to read a hub about gypsies, since I always thought I was one growing up ever since my mother dressed me up as one at Halloween. What a comprehensive and intriguing hub, James. No one could have written a better one. Only wish I had, because I am interested in the gypsy thing. Poor gypsies had a rough time of it, and in turn gave it right back, didn't they?

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James A Watkins Hub Author 12 months ago

Donna Suthard— You are welcome. I am glad you enjoyed "The Gypsies." Thank you for taking the time to read it and for your kind compliments. That is an incredible story you related to me. I appreciate that.

Donna Suthard 12 months ago

This is an excellent detailed hub! I really enjoyed reading it...Thank you.. It reminds me of a dream I once had about a gypsy and a little boy named Winston!! they wee gathered around a fire. Ten years later, a little boy walked into my health office, and his name was Winston!! It was the same little boy, that I had dreamed about..

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James A Watkins Hub Author 12 months ago

Alastar Packer— You are most welcome. It is gratifying to read of your appreciation for my work on the Gypsies Hub. I agree that they have honed their survival skills as perpetual outsiders wherever they roam. Great point.

Thank you very much for reading my articles. You encourage me and for that I am thankful.

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Alastar Packer Level 8 Commenter 12 months ago

Always reading about Gypsies as secondary subjects in history reads. With this article James I've finally learned their historical story. The few that I have interacted with in some way, were to be honest, the best quick change artists I've ever seen.Their not all like this of course and as a displaced and at times despised people they understandably have developed survival strategy's. That was an especially good nugget about the "Bible" King James deporting them to America. Thanks for the research and great write James.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 12 months ago

Thank you for saying so. Welcome to the Hub Pages Community!

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NicoleSmith 12 months ago

Great hub.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 13 months ago

Fluffy— You are welcome. And welcome to the Hub Pages Community. I very much appreciate you reading my Hubs and leaving your thoughtful comments.

I hear what you're saying about the various opinions on Gypsies. They do get mixed reviews, to be sure. I have always been fascinated by them from depictions of them in movies. I have not met a Gypsy in person that I am aware of. They are a strong people.

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Fluffy77 13 months ago

Very good hub, full of information and illustrations on these people. I know many people mostly elders in the community still talk of Gypsies some don't really like them still others find these people very beautiful, free, and even romantic. They are very lucky indeed to have there traditions and way of life for so long now. They seem a very strong people too in many ways. Thanks for sharing, quite informative and useful.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 13 months ago

MysteryPlanet— Thank you for the accolades. It is gratifying to receive such high praise indeed. Welcome to the Hub Pages Community!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 13 months ago

ScRuTTy— Thank you the kind compliments. I sincerely appreciate the visit and your comments. :D

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MysteryPlanet 13 months ago

Another killer hub, you really put a lot into this page. Thoroughly enjoyed this.

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ScRuTTy Level 1 Commenter 13 months ago

Very interesting James, good work :)

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Twilight Lawns— If you got through the whole thing in spite of an MTV-generation-attention-span, I am flattered. Thank you for your lovely words. Welcome to the Hub Pages Community!

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Twilight Lawns Level 7 Commenter 15 months ago

What an amazingly well researched hub. I have a low attention span, but read every word with interest. Fascinating.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Shuvo— Thank you for your kind compliments! I appreciate the suggestion for a future Hub topic. The nomads of Mongolia. Interesting. Good idea!

Shuvo 15 months ago

amazing article, well written very informative, i am intreuged about their simplicity, wwell some nomads here in asia in mongolia and tibbet live almost the same way, wish i could hear about their lives from you some day

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Jhangora— I am glad you liked this Hub. I appreciate your warm compliments, and the thumbs up! Thank you for visiting. Welcome to HubPages!

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Jhangora Level 1 Commenter 15 months ago

I am from India and interested in knowing more about the Gypsy culture and language. I really like the Hub, very comprehensive and educational. Thumbs up!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

james a watkins— Well, this is not a message from myself so it must be from another james a. watkins. Welcome!

Thank you very much for what you said about my work. I appreciate it!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Amanda Rice— This is in many ways a sad tale. A large part of my ancestors are also from Wales. The Watkins names is Welsh.

Thank you for visiting my Hub. I appreciate your thoughtful and insightful comments.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Gypsy Willow— It is good to see you! I am glad you enjoyed this Hub. I appreciate you sharing those intersting stories here for us. I have one great album by the Gipsy Kings! Beautiful music. I love the sound of the Spanish guitar.

You can make a mean clothes peg and charm warts? Fascinating! And you're always on the move, eh?

Thank you ever much for visiting and commenting. :D

james a watkins 15 months ago

Please do not think my words were directed at yourself in any way, i was having a go at the peeps that disrespect Gypsies. Your work is fanastic and intersting. I like the fact that you have people sitting up and taking an interest.

Amanda Rice 15 months ago

I have recently researched and discovered my families origins which have been hidden for some time. I discovered that my mother, her mother, her mother and so on. originated from the bohemian tribes living in Wales, known also as ‘Gypsy’s. I found this website has been a wonderful source of information for learning more about these people, however, it saddened me to read of the incredible exile and degradation these people have suffered throughout their history.

I can only hope that the future for the ‘gypsy’ people is for them to further integrate themselves into modern society, while also embracing their rich history and not dismissing their past as mine have done.

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Gypsy Willow Level 5 Commenter 15 months ago

Only just come across this hub but I really enjoyed it. When I was a little girl in Wales gypsy women used to call at the house selling clothes peges made from hazel twigs and tin cans. They were quite beautiful and when my mum died I discovered she still had some in her peg bag. They also made chrysanthemums from hazel twigs whech were usually died red or orange and quite a work of art. Recently the Gypsy Vanner horses have become very popular and extremely expensive. Quite heavy and cobby, usually piebald or skewbald with prominent feathers and hugely long manes. And who does not love te music of the gypsy kings? I used to deal in antiques after I gave up computers when I lived in uk and got to know many of them, they were good friends but some I would not trust too far!! They taught me an old gypsy game called tipping I think/ A piece of would 2 inches thick and about 6 inches long sharpened at each end was hit with a long stick and the idea was to make it go as far as possible.

My avatar is Gypsy Willow and it describes me well. I am always on the move and I can make a mean clothes peg and charm warts! love the hub, thanks.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Wesman Todd Shaw— Thank you, kind sir! I do not know how the HubPages algorithms work but I surely appreciate the sentiment expressed in your remarks. :)

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Craftychic— Yes, they do have feelings I am sure. My intent of writing this article was surely not to judge but to report on the findings of my research into these fascinating people. I appreciate your comments. Welcome to the Hub Pages Community.

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Wesman Todd Shaw 15 months ago

You sure do some awesome work. I mean, why this thing isn't permanently scored a 100 I do not know.

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Craftychic 15 months ago

Gypsies have feelings too, i think Gypsies have been given a bad name. Maybe instead of creating negative thoughts about Gypsies, it would be a good idea to create positive thoughts and not judge. This goes for all individuals not just Gypsies. I like Gypsies and think they have an interesting life. We all come from the womb! Surely it is not for other individuals to judge when we are introduced into this world, whatever our background maybe.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 15 months ago

Mrs. J. B.— Thank you for those kind remarks! I am glad you enjoyed this piece. Welcome to HubPages! I look forward to reading your work.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 16 months ago

Seeker7— Well, there you are! I am happy to oblige, and glad to be of some service. Thank you and you're welcome.

Oh yes: Welcome to the Hub Pages Community!

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Mrs. J. B. 16 months ago

Your article is amazing. I am thinking perhaps I was a Gypsy in a previuos life since I do read tarot cards etc. I loved it..........

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James A Watkins Hub Author 16 months ago

rumneyboy— You are welcome. Thank you for expressing your appreciation of my work. I very much enjoyed reading your remarks. I am well pleased to hear from an actual Gypsy.

You have illuminated my mind by giving me an account of Gypsies from the inside. I like Gyspsies and find them a fascinating people. I understand them better thanks to you. It is good of you to take the time to educate us in this way with your words.

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Seeker7 Level 8 Commenter 16 months ago

Great hub. I always wanted to know a bit more about these people so many thanks for informing.

rumneyboy 16 months ago

Very impressed with your post. I am an English gypsy living in the states. Usually these kind of studies are full of wrong info, and we are usually made out to be scam artist and are very demonized.but u did a good job although I'm not sure any of our women were prostitutes because we are raised to be sexually pure til marriage. There are many gypsies living in the states from the east coast to the west and alot in the mid west. We are a race of people not just people who travel. We have our own language and keep track of blood lines. I knew we were and still are one of the most persecuted people in the world, but after reading how we were killed just for being gypsies,I can understand why we were raised not to tell anyone what we are. We don't really have much interaction with non gypsies or (gorjas) unless we are working, only because most out siders don't understand our ways. We are very close to our families and live regular lives. Thank you for posting this. I found it to be interesting and full of information of the persecution of our people. God bless!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 16 months ago

lilyfly— That is fascinating! I had always thought voodoo originated in Africa. Thank you for that information.

I appreciate the visit and your comments, lilyfly. And you are welcome.

James

lilyfly 16 months ago

So, they came from India... you know, I have a friend from Jamaica that says voodoo did not originate from Africa, but rather India...

Thank you for educating me....lilyfly

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James A Watkins Hub Author 16 months ago

Jacob Darkley— Thank you much for visiting my Hub. I appreciate your gracious remarks.

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Jacob Darkley 16 months ago

Hey James, this gets a big positive from me. I would love to travel through Europe and see the Gypsies there. Very interesting hub!

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James A Watkins Hub Author 16 months ago

CMHypno— Thank you! I am glad you found it fascinating. Marriage laws are under assault from many angles. There are those who want same-sex marriage; polygamy; and group marriage legalized. And those who want age restrictions and incest laws removed from the books. Rather than redefine marriage, it looks as if we are headed to the prohibition of any definition.

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CMHypno Level 6 Commenter 16 months ago

Another fascinating hub from you James on gypsies. There has been some controversy in the UK in last few years, because the gypsy tradition is to marry as young teenagers and several of these underage marriages have been exposed in the media

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James A Watkins Hub Author 17 months ago

JHON— Thank you! Thank you very much.

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James A Watkins Hub Author 17 months ago

khan— I am pleased to meet you Khan the Gypsy. Thank you for visiting my Hub.

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